MCHOSE - L7 Pro+

Nice collection, in your opinion when it comes to Viper Mini shape, out of ATK F1, Hitscan Hyperlight and VXE Mad R which one is the closest? I ordered ATK F1 V2 Extreme yesterday out nowhere, because I just felt like trying something closer to VM after maining Mchose L7 Pro (great mouse btw IMHO), did I choose the right mouse with F1 V2 assuming it's the same shape as V1? Unrelated, but I read you also collect IEMs, which one do you like the most when it comes to gaming? Just out of curiosity. Thanks!

As another xm2 user, I’d recommend it as well, with the caveat that the sides are curved aggressively. If you’re into kind of letting the shape tell you how to hold it, grab it. But I think back hump heavy mice are good for grips like this because they allow for some finger dexterity (hybrid grips that are in between fingertip and claw) If the curves of the xm2 make you nervous, the Mchose L7+ looks like a similar shape with straighter sides I’ve been meaning to try. I will say it was worth trying and learning the xm2 for me and I love the mouse.

tbh I am considering a zaopin z1 pro due to the fact I've never tried an egg shape before and its shorter, still looking around though, did see the x2h mini and i feel it is similar to what I want

after some searching considering a Mchose L7 Pro due to the shape being like an op1 it seems but smaller, and a bit wider which is something I think I might actually want since imo the op1we is a tad too narrow

I've been enjoying the MCHOSE L7 Pro

I feel the same way, but my hand isn't as long as yours. I currently have to hold the new Mchose L7 ultra+ with grip as it cramps my hand to place my ring and pinky on the side.

I am able to have my L7 hit the back of my palm and still be comfortable 

I am using the L7 pro right now since February with no issue for my giant hands but I have and L7 Ultra Plus size coming for AliExpress this week. 

18x 10-11cm. I am maining the Mchose L7 ultra plus as I feel it suit my relaxed grip better than my Maya X. 

the L7 Ultra+ is a Sora V2 clone rather than an X2 medium clone. I am enjoying it more than the Maya X even though the maya x is comfortable.

The ultra+ is a Sora V2 clone, so it's a claw grip mouse with slightly curved sides and a back hump at 38 mm. The L7 is an X2 mini clone with a back hump of 36mm and flatter sides. Both are great mice.

Skyrox > R1 pro > L7 Pro Plus as my preference of choice for shape but for performance Skyrox = R1 pro = L7 Pro Plus for performance and R1 pro > L7 Pro Plus > Skyrox for budget

I've recently got mchose l7 pro and its wireless ofc. I can tell u rn that I play better with it then with the DAV3 (wired), no lag or any issues The only problem is that its got kinda small battery (250mah), so I need to charge it every 3-4 days (it takes a bit more than hour to charge), I do use pc alot so I guess its also my "fault". But yeah, for wired go for OP1 8k

This is my video review of the MCHOSE L7 Pro and Ultra. For those not interested in watching the video form, here is a text form of my review: **Intro**: The MCHOSE L7 Pro and Ultra are shapes similar to (but slightly smaller than) the Pulsar X2 Mini or X2 Crazylight. They feature Omron Optical switches, 3395 and 3950 sensors, and a 5g weight discrepancy (40g and 45g total, respectively) that I'll get into later. For just $55 and $65 respectively, I decided to give them a shot after being impressed with the quality on the A7 Ultra. **Build**: Full plastic build with no holes, no creaks, and no button wobble. Very impressive, and you can feel the trigger mechanisms having walls to prevent button wobble, so I see no reason that the click stability will deteriorate over time. The coating is impressive as well, providing a sticky rubbery coating that feels as good if not better than my DAv3 Pro Faker Edition and GPX2. The base is plastic and solid. It features the DPI button and the connectivity switch (2.4ghz, off, BT from top to bottom). MCHOSE mice feature BT connectivity if you need it. I'd assume the use case is for students that want to game with and carry one mouse, though that's a little excessive for me. I wonder if it contributes to the weight, however. The skates feature lips which I really hate (similarly on the GPX2, Pulsar mice), however, the lip is shorter here than those mentioned, and it doesn't scratch an Artisan mid or a Steelseries Speed. The weight comes in at exactly 40g and 45g for the Pro and Ultra with dot skates. You will likely be up a gram with full size skates. **Buttons**: The buttons feel great, and I did open both to confirm that they are indeed Omron Opticals due to issues with recent budget mice advertising, but ultimately skimping on, the Omron Optical switches. These are similar to a Maya X, but I get more tactile feedback here. Compared to the GPX2 there is less feedback, but the clicks are much less stiff, which people didn't enjoy on the GPX2. This will be much more comfortable to spam over time, which I appreciate. Side buttons are a bit heavy, but don't have any obvious pre or post travel to make them a pain to use. The only nitpick is that the button shapes themselves are a bit small and overly rounded, but I understand the need to make them small on a small mouse. The scroll wheel is a TTC Gold dustproof, a staple in the modding community and one I've modded in my DAv3 Pro as well. No issues with the durability on this wheel and glad they used it here. The only nitpick is that it may be too loud for some, as the meta for scroll wheels these days is to be light and quiet. I prefer the TTC Gold if it means more durability. The middle click feels great too, I believe it is not a cheaper dot switch that others tend to use. **Skates**: Black dye PTFE is the choice here, which I'm a bit confused by but they aren't the worst skates. I used to rock stock skates all the time, but I prefer dots now. You get passable stock skates here. Fortunately it is a great base to work with for dots/donuts/whatever you may choose. **Software**: I'm really happy to hear that MCHOSE had a beta webdriver in the works. In my A7 review, I used the software. Now that the webdriver is out, it works with the L7 and is backwards compatible with many of MCHOSE's previous offerings (A7, M7, L7, G7, certain G3/A5 variants, and their upcoming K7). Shout out to MCHOSE for bringing this meaningful QOL update to their previous offerings instead of restricting compatibility with their newest releases. The only bad part is that you still have to download firmware updates as files to your PC, but I don't mind. **Extras/Unboxing**: Just a set of decent looking grips that I didn't use come in the box besides the standards (mouse, cable, dongle). I would have prefered an extra set of white/clear PTFE skates considering the stock ones are black dye PTFE. On the plus side, however, they include a dongle that is compatible with high polling rates, which is incredible value for a mouse starting at $55. **In-Hand Performance**: I really enjoy this shape, even with larger hands (~21x11). This gives you that good low button height, with just enough of a back hump to give you stability when you need it. I'm trying to ditch ergo mice that just give you a bunch of stability but much less finger/wrist dexterity, so understand that I enjoy the shape while definitely not in my comfort zone. The low button height helps a ton with finger dexterity in precise tracking motions (recoil control, distant targets, PGT, Snake Track) as opposed to chunkier mice I had been using like the GPX2 and DAv3. The low weight helps a lot with fatigue in reactive motions. The physics of a direction change involve the weight. As such, a low 40g weight takes a lot of strain off of your arm over time (close range strafes, flicks, Ground/Aether). For reference, these were my experiences using this mouse to get masters in the tracking section of Voltaic S5 benchmarks. I feel like there isn't much more to go into here. It's a essentially a cloned shape, and a common shape design language at this point. **Tested Performance**: Go check the [techpowerup review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/mchose-l7-pro/) by u/pzogel for the raw numbers, but basically, the firmware performs insanely well. The click latency is 0.2ms in wireless mode (approaching the 0.1ms mark set by EGG wired 8k mice) and provides that result in any polling setting, so don't feel like you have to use higher polling rates for that great click latency. As for the sensor performance, cross referencing the [techpowerup OP1 8k review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/endgame-gear-op1-8k/5.html), the OP1 8k is 1.2ms ahead of the control (G403), whereas the L7 Pro is at 0.9ms ahead of the control (both set to 4k, L7 Pro at wireless). So obviously great performance, but this is only the Pro with the 3395, which gets me to my next point: my confusions with the Ultra. **Pro vs. Ultra?**: I prefer the Pro if you haven't noticed me referencing the 40g weight and the techpowerup review for the Pro throughout the review (although there isn't an Ultra review as of this review). The Pro features the 3395 and a 250mAh battery while the Ultra features the 3950 and a 500mAh battery, causing a weight discrepancy between them of 5g (40g, 45g, respectively). I feel like for true "Ultra" performance, there should be a 3950 variant with the 250mAh battery, weighing in at 40g. Even if you argue that the average consumer doesn't care about the 5g weight reduction, then my counter argument is that they also don't care about having a 3950 vs. the already incredibly performing 3395 present in the Pro. In that case, the casual consumer should be more likely to enjoy a 3395 variant with a 500mAh battery at slightly cheaper than the Ultra's current $65 price tag. This would make way for an Ultra variant with the 3950 and the 250mAh battery. This becomes even more apparent when looking at MCHOSE's full size offerings (A7 and M7). The A7 and M7 don't massively undercut the weight of the GPX2 and Zowie U2, but they could! The Pro/Ultra M7 uses a 500mAh battery for a 58g weight, the standard M7 uses a 300mAh battery for a 53g weight, and the Zowie U2 is listed at 60g. Isn't a hypothetical M7 Ultra with the 3950 and 300mAh battery at 53g a much more enticing full-size clone than what they currently produce? The Lamzu Maya X is gaining popularity among full size users, and that weights 47g. Another counter argument would be battery life, but I have had great battery life on the L7 Pro, switching from 1khz in most games and 4khz for aimtrainers and compatible games. This lasts me about 1-2 weeks, but admittedly, the Ultra didn't give me a low battery indicator in 2 weeks of testing. This gets even more confusing when you consider the upcoming K7 from MCHOSE, which features a 500mAh battery and a charging dock. If you've used a Zowie wireless mouse before, you have absolutely no clue how long the battery lasts because the charging dock is so convenient and it keeps your mouse juiced all the time. Why not use the charging dock to pursue a lighter/smaller battery, considering the 250mAh gives adequate battery life already? **Final Thoughts/TL;DR**: This is the best budget mouse I've tried. The coating is good, the weight is good, the base is good for my dot skates, the Omron Opticals feel great, the wheel is dustproof, and the webdriver covers all the bases. It's insane to think that this is available for $55 and I definitely see it putting pressure on other brands. If you slapped a Lamzu/Scyrox/Pulsar logo on this and charged $100-120, no one would notice. I could see this becoming popular for 3D printed mod kit internals in the future considering the low price, small internals, and insane performance. The best competition for this is probably the Pulsar X2 Crazylight, which gives you the benefit of a 3950 and a lower 35g weight. Unfortunately, I don't think those benefits outweigh the price discrepancy ($120 vs. $55). I concede that I haven't tried that mouse, but I'm not particularly excited to do so considering the price differential, the inconsistency of click feel between Pulsar mice, and Pulsar QC. I'd like to hear from you if you have tried the X2 Crazylight and the L7 Pro.

For size around Viper Mini, it's really hard to beat I also like L7 Pro and just got my hands on the Scyrox v6, but I keep going back to the Hyperlight as the micros on it feel so smooth. Not entirely sure but I'd guess it's the hump presence in combination with the low click height.

Agree, it's also disappointing cause it's all come together before in the L7 Pro Wish they could just do a normal battery size A7 Pro around Maya X weight and call it a day with these GPX clones. They feel too pressured to match everything in the other Chinese competitor brands for their market, I guess

Nah, Logitech and Razer are the only big companies worth buying from really, and even they are overpriced. the Mchose L7 series is insane for small/medium claw grip probably would get that unless I already knew my hand wouldn't fit with it. If you don't like the L7 shape you have options. Mchose, ATK, Lamzu, Hitscan, Scyrox, Endgame Gear are where I would start. If I didn't like those options RAWM, Rapoo, Redragon, Aula, Darmoshark, Delux, Incott, Eweadn, Pulsar, Dareu, WLmouse, Razer, Logitech, etc. are the next layer down, either because they are just more expensive, or have some minor thing that puts them a step down from the brands listed in the first tier.

It's a good option but not the best. Mchose L7 series is better and cheaper.

Mchose L7 is the best bang for buck. But only fits small hands (or medium hands for the pro+ and ultra+ versions but they cost more) VXE R1 is also better for $28.99 (lighter and  better coating) but is still slightly smaller.

Higher polling rate doesn't matter, but the weight will. Getting under 60 grams is something I would consider important. Mchose L7 series might be around that budget  Or the VXE R1.

VXE R1 is the budget option. It's internals aren't as good as the Razer options you mentioned, but but it's basically half the price ($28 vs $51) and basically half the weight(48 grams vs 70-88 grams depending on battery), so you will perform better using it and save money. Plus, it doesn't have any issues with the scroll wheel like the viper v3 did. The Mchose L7 steps you up to $33 but does start to give you better than Razer internals. And the L7 ultra is just straight up better than the Razer options for a similar price. SE+ version is better battery I think, but also not sure they stock the regular SE. Still I would say get the base R1 if you can.

Going to say Mchose L7 series. Best performance per dollar mouse, and one of the best mice out there. And with two different size options they should fit most hands.

Mchose L7 series is just the best mice for the price on the market. With Black Friday all of them are right about your price range (the most expensive is $52 with shipping and tax)

Mchose L7+ series is similar in size to the VXE R1, though a little more setup for claw it can be palmed.  The Mchose A5 is maybe a little better for a palm grip if you want to give it a try.

For small/medium hands: Mchose L7 series (L7 for small L7+ for medium) For larger hands you have more options, Mchose A7/K7, ATK A9/X1 are recs, but other good options exist. Aula V9 looks good on paper too but has no reviews so...

For small/medium hands: Mchose L7 series (L7 for small L7+ for medium) For larger hands you have more options, Mchose A7/K7, ATK A9/X1 are recs, but other good options exist. Aula V9 looks good on paper too but has no reviews so...

Don't get the Glorious. Then Mchose L7 vs A7 is a hand size thing. A7 is quite large, the L7 pro+ is a more medium size, and the base L7 pro is small.

Don't get the Glorious. Then Mchose L7 vs A7 is a hand size thing. A7 is quite large, the L7 pro+ is a more medium size, and the base L7 pro is small.

Mchose L7 ultra+ would be my top rec. But of those the OP1 would be my recommendation.

Mchose L7 is great for small and medium hands. VXE R1 is a slightly more budget option for medium hands  Mchose A7 or ATK A9 are good for larger hands  Mchose A7 RE or Rapoo VT3 Max for a more ergo shape.

Mchose L7 is the equivalent of the Scyrox. And I would chose the Mchose for sure. K7 vs L7 depends on what shape you want.

Mchose L7 is so good and so cheap I wonder what the point of other mice existing are. Unless you are on an extremely tight budget and just have to get whatever garbage mouse works or have big hands it's the way to go.

I like Mchose. Especially the L7 for small and medium hands. If you have larger hands they are still a good option, but I think others are competitive.

I recently went with L7 pro. And its been great. 41 gr with stock feet