Valerion - VisionMaster Max

Ignore those deluded Valerion fans. Tbf if you only consume non subtitle dark content then maybe Valerion ebl will be the better choice for you. Assuming you're not sensitive to rbe, under $3k the best is dangbei s7 ultra max, then it's a tossed up between xgimi horizon 20 max and nebula x1. For ust, nexigo ap mk2 is better than valerion and has no rbe / speckle issue too.

Valerion Max yes for contrast due to iris but not the pro2, xgimi 20 max is like 50% brighter along with same contrast. Also, has h+v lens shift.

I have the valerion visionmaster max and I highly recommend it and with a 100 dollar deposit, you can get it for only 4000 before novenmber 2nd. only downside is there is a waitlist, so probably a long shipping wait.

Nexigo Aurora Pro Mk II + an ALR screen (Nothing projector makes a seamless 132 inch if that fits on the wall, or a 120). A side benefit is that you wouldn't have to rip out the ceiling lights and fans since the projector would be on the floor in front of the screen. Without building a fake wall in front of the window you can't have an in-wall center anyway so you don't need something like a perforated screen. If you can't fit bigger than 120 (or less) I'd concur with ProjectionHead (aka Brian from Projectorscreen) that a floor-rising motorized ALR screen that comes up over the window would let you keep this room way more general use and then have a fantastic home cinema time anyway. You'd need blackout curtains over the window(s) instead of actually doing work to seal them. Alternatively if you prefer longer throw, a Valerion Pro 2 or Max, with the appropriate fresnel based ALR screen they sell. There are somewhat better projectors around the $5 grand mark but you're not buying just half the solution, you need to factor in the screen which can run $1-2 grand (or vastly more than that, you want a Screen Innovations Black Diamond in their Zero G motorized form it's more like five figures). But sure, you could go with a white screen and black everything but imo you absolutely don't need to. The clincher in my view is the available wall real estate you have to work with. If you could fit a 150, 175 or some other honking huge screen then a long throw and black walls would be the way to go. If you're limited to sub-150 anyway, why not UST?

Since I really like UST projectors I'd have said "Nexigo Aurora Pro MK II" - $3 grand + $1 grand for an UST specific ALR screen, but with the ceiling mount and screen already there I guess that's out. Although not necessarily, still; it's still $4 grand and you could just dismount that screen and remove the ceiling mount. For long throw the Valerion projectors are hard to look past at this price point, they're embarrassing more established brands right now. However, I'd still replace the screen with Valerion's long throw Fresnel ALR screen. Also, what is that, a screen for mice? 100 inches in that space? Get a 150 and drop it low. This screen is mounted too high anyway.

The Valerion Max has a mode where they increase the speed of the color shifts. According to Chris Majestic that caused his projector to emit a buzzing noise but it also baslically eliminated RBE. But the Max is also quite expensive. But still a really cool projector, not least because you can put an anamorphic lens on it and project in 21:9 if you so wish. I'd wish... if I were in the market. Which I'm not right this second.

The QB1000 is ludicrously overpriced for what it is, an LS12000 with tweaked dynamic contrast and slightly more light. Also, the Valerion Max makes it look bad, especially at thousands less in purchasing cost.

Valerion Visionmaster Pro 2 visits a 320 inch cinema: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPAM13Lon0 - so of course it depends on what level of lumens you really want, but I wonder just how much a Valerion Visionmaster Max could do. Certainly it would shit on the likes of an Epson QB1000 which is just a minimally uprated LS12000. The Max claims 3500 lumens, and the 3000 the Pro 2 has looked like that on 300+ inches. Even a JVC only hits 2000 or 2300 lumens. Here's Youthman shining the Pro 2 at a wall at 300: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhVqxINzqxs So yeah, obviously I'm just spitballing here. I don't know what you deem acceptable either. But the Max with an anamorphic lens (which is in the works, I believe - the Max has interchangeable lenses) on a 180 inch 21:9... I can't imagine that would disappoint. The Max also has the Iris to further get black level and contrast, it does something like 25000:1 which a big JVC will obviously beat... but not by as much as one might imagine, I believe. But, good luck figuring out which way to go. But it sounds kind of silly to say, but to me the Valerion Max has kind of rendered most other consumer long throws irrelevant. I have an Epson UST, and nothing Epson has in the sub-$10 grand range makes any sense vs the Max. JVC's D-ILA models, sure, you give up brightness but gain contrast and absolute black level, and lower brightness is an issue if you want to go large.

You'd probably be better off with a 5050ub even though it's bulb fed. It has considerably better black levels. They're cheaper too (well.. same ballpark). Or, you could look into the Valerion projectors, the Pro 2 model almost certainly gives you a better image in just about every way. Or the Max, better yet. Since you're talking about in-wall speakers, UST projectors are out (can't combine UST ALR screen with perforations) otherwise one of those would have been a choice, at 120 inches; a $2000-ish Nexigo Aurora Pro provides a better image and better dark room viewing than the LS11000 (haven't seen it with my own eyes, have seen a comparo online by The Hook Up). Epson projectors also all have loud fans; I'm an Epson owner myself. I have to run mine on 70% power to shut the fan up otherwise it sounds like a vacuum cleaner.

That's your call, obviously, pick what you think is the best choice for you. Personally if I could have one handed to me for free, the Valerion Max or a QB1000 I'd pick the Valerion 11 times out of 10 at this point. The QB1000 is an LS12000 with slightly better dynamic hdr processing - and I do better dynamic HDR processing with madVR filters already - and they're very similar. Fine projectors (like I said, I have an Epson, not like I dislike the brand or anything) but imo value for money with the QB1000 is absolutely not there. You're just a hair's breadth away from JVC's entry level.

Image quality wise, they're outstanding especially the Pro 2 and the Max. Price-wise they've gone up a bit. Quality wise... that's where it may start to get lackluster, they're still Chinese and AWOL which is the sister company (or some such) to Valerion hasn't exactly covered themselves in glory these past few years in that department. Mind you this is just me speculating, don't really have any data to back it up, for all I know they're great at that too. I somewhat doubt it. But the top models can go toe to toe with pricier models on image quality. If you do go that route, I would personally also cough up the dough for Valerion's fresnel based ALR screen for them.

Not true "all DLP projectors have it" Seen any IMAX or Dolby movies lately? No RBE there. They use DLP. Rainbow effect is caused by single chip DLP (one chip for all colors) and the use of a Color wheel to split the light into RGB, or in Valarion's case an RGB laser that modulates between the 3 primary colors. The color wheel is the worst, and RGB laser light tends to be better, but still shows up in very dark scenes with super bright highlights, during fast motion. Now not all Epson projectors have no RBE, but what are you looking for if you don't want that is 3 Chip products. The home cinema Epson uses 3LCD panels. JVC projectors use D-Ila panels (again 3, 1 dedicated to each color) All theater projectors and high end home models will use DLP chips but have 3, 1 for each color and do not have any issues with RBE. DLP isn't the problem. That being said, I own an Epson 3800, BenQ tk850, Optima HD27, JVC-Nz700, and the Valiaron Pro2 and MAX (not yet released) I currently have been using the Pro2 for everything and absolutely love it. Yes it's worth it and best in its class.

Yeah I don't have my MAX yet. but reviews have been very good on its RBE reduction. Black levels are really good on the Pro2 but supposed to be also even better with teh MAX. JVC is a great projector but its also a lot louder and kind of needs to be put in a doghouse. ( box enclosures ) But at this point its just not worth the Money when I can get almost as good for a 1/3 the price. ( even cheaper for me because I got it for the Kickstarter price of $2k)

We have a 65 inch oiled in the living room. I got a Valerion vision master max and a 150 inch screen in the loft about 2 months ago. I have not been to the living room in 2 months. 😂

Another quality video from Rob. I’ll never be able to afford a JVC or Sony but was curious how the Valerion would compare. I backed the Valerion Max at the Kickstarter price of $2200 so if it’s just a little better than the Pro 2 I will be VERY happy. It’s going to have a better lens and some other upgrades so should be great for the price I got it at.

I pledged for the Valerion Max because of the Kickstarter pricing, as an early adopter I’m all in for around $2K. If I had your budget I’d probably go for the LS12000. Proven performer, solid company with worldwide support, parts. Epson is in the holy trinity of HT projector manufacturers for good reasons.

Valerion will offer great 4k/60hz gaming experience with good colors and contrast. But if you want to get 4k/120hz then it's either Epson or JVC/Sony and those will be above 4-5k if new and slightly lower if used. I would probably get Valerion unless you 100% need 120hz and have spare cash to burn.

One thing many people miss is the terrible uniformity of large TV's including OLED's but LCD based models are even worse. If you have ever noticed dirty screen effect of vertical banding a 98" TCL will look like a nightmare, if you don't notice those then it could be a n option if you want a lot of pure brightness and above 60hz refresh rate at 4k. On projector side something like Valerion visionmaster max or a JCV will give you the best picture quality without the issues of large TV's, the only real downside will be significantly lower max brightness and theoretically lower contrast but in real life it will look almost as good or even better.

You do realize that AVS forums is full of people that that have the Pro 2 and are not paid "advertisers". There are multiple people that have both the Pro 2 and the C2. You could have asked them directly for a comparison. In any case the Valerion with the black levels and tone mapping comes out ahead. The C2 and C3 the differences are not that big. A lot of people are noticing this

The C2 is fine projector. My point is that your gripe could have been alleviated by asking a forum full of people with the projector which are not "paid advertisers" Valerians secret sauce is the software which to this point has not been matched.

Please it's better than both those. It has better tone mapping and the EBL function Hisense has yet to counter with anything as effective clearly not in those two projectors

They provide the base. The software which is the real secret sauce is done by Valerian ie: Tonemapping and EBL. You do know that right? That is the difference and it's big.

Furthermore, you realize that the same OLED panels are used by different manufactures. It DOES not mean that then all the OLED's are the same. The difference again is the software. By the way Valerion is a subsidiary of Awol not Hisense

The Max will absolutely close the gap between NZ and Epson. Some may in fact prefer it. It's amazing how much that little box punches above it's weight. Paying just under 2k for the Max at the Kick starter price has to be one of the best tech deals of recent times

That is mainly for People overseas. I got mine the first week of January. I'm part of that group and read the threads daily. The Max is supposedly going to hit with the Iris 30k -40k in contrast not native but it will absolutely close the gap and compete with projectors it has no business competing with

And there's more people without problems. Furthermore, just about every projection company has had those issues but I noticed there's a group of people that just don't seem to like this projector and are always only saying the negative things about this product.

I am likely going with the Valerion Max. I see not reason to not have Dolby Vision built into the projector. I am concerned about Laser speckle though. I got a refund for this POS as well.

Just because you said that you actually want to play video games I can just recommend the Valerion vision master MAX. If it were just for movies then the JVC should be better. Also that epson that you put in your Post is trash.