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I have both Miele and Sebo canisters. The Miele SEB power nozzles handle thicker pile carpet better than the Sebo. I have a thick pile area rug in the master bedroom and the Sebo can't handle it. The Meile wand will go flat for under furniture cleaning, the elbow is angled more than the Sebo, in practice it isn't a significant difference. The Miele expendables (bags/filters) cost a bit more than Sebo and maintenance for a Miele will cost more compared to Sebo. The Sebo's break down much easier, quicker than a Meile. Which would I choose? I prefer my Miele C3 over the Sebo E3, but for whole house cleaning the Sebo D4 with the 40' cord and 1.5 gallon bag is the clear winner.

Congratulations and look forward to your follow up review after a whole house cleaning. Miele did a poor job assessing the US market for the Guard series. We get the same handle and hose as the previous models; not the new handle with controls released in Europe. They discontinued the SEB 236 power nozzle (LED light, lower profile), and only two models with a power nozzle. None of the Cat and Dog models have a power nozzle! The new Fiber TeQ All Floor attachment looks promising though and will probably be added to my C3's arsenal of tools.

Both Sebo E3 and Miele C3 canister vacuums are top tier. Both use the same handheld turbo brush attachment (made by Wessel Werk) that is excellent for dog beds, upholstery, stairs. The Miele C3’s are discounted now as the new Guard series is replacing them. A Miele white dog and cat model or Marin navy blue model are probably the best pet vacuums you can get.

If you are future proofing your purchase, the D4 is ideal for the 3K+ home. In use, the D4 with its rotating hose is very manageable, not too different than a C3. Carrying the body alone upstairs is 15.9 pounds vs 12.5 for a C3. The Sebo wand and head is lighter than a C3 with a SEB 228 power nozzle.

I have Corgis and they shed fur as a hobby. Sebo or Miele with a power nozzle, not the entry level suction only machines. The ideal pair is a Sebo E3 canister and Felix upright. The Felix is my daily, the E3 is my weekly deep cleaner. There are clearance deals on the Miele C3s right now; look for the Cat & Dog, Marin and even the HomeCare+ canisters. The Miele power nozzles handle deep pile better than Sebo, otherwise the vacuums are tied for performance.

The first things you'll notice about a modern vacuum is how quiet and compact they are compared to your Silver King. The Sebo D4 Onyx (or any Onyx version) opens the door to dealer-only extended warranty, pricing and accessory packages; 10 years motor/casing, parts and 7 year labor. Now that Miele rolled out their Guard series of vacuums, remaining stock of C3s are discounted. Standard warranty on a C3 is three years, but if there is a HomeCare edition (Red color), they are the Meile dealer-only line and warranted to 5 years. Only the entry level Miele's are Chinese, the majority are manufactured in Germany/Europe. The Guard Titanium is the current, dealer-only model from Miele. Both brands are BIFL, and the canisters are the GOAT for whole house cleaning (dusting, furniture, stairs, etc.). The D4 is designed for larger homes (40' cord, 1.5g bag). The Sebo E3 and Miele C3/Guard series are in the sweet spot for the average size home with a mix of bare floors and carpet. Models with a power nozzle will provide the most versatility to grow with your needs as you move from rentals to your final home. Get both brands and various models in your hands and test drive them in store. Black Friday is coming and these are always discounted this time of year.

Mieles are organized in 4 tiers: C1 Compact (entry level, smaller, for apartments & small homes), Guard M (replaces the previous C3, none of these have a power nozzle in the US Market), C3 (outgoing workhorse, find one this Black Friday, they are solid machines, the Kona, Cat & Dog, Marin, HomeCare E+ all have power nozzles), and the Guard L series. The black L models are suction only, the blue and titanium have power nozzles. The new Guard models that are labeled Cat & Dog do not have a power nozzle, instead they use an air driven turbo floor nozzle.

Ideally, you have a vacuum retailer near you so you can test drive these and get a good deal; Miele C3, these are being closed out and remaining stock is marked down. The Kona, Cat & Dog, Marin, and Homecare E+ are the C3s to look for. A Miele C1 Cat and Dog is also a solid choice. There are 2 brand new L1 Guard vacuums from Miele; the L1 (blue) and L1 Electro (titanium). All of these models but the Marin use the same SEB 228 power nozzle. The Marin gets a lower profile SEB 236 with an LED light. Only dealers can sell the Homecare and Electro models, these have 5 year warranty’s vs standard 3 year. Discounts for Black Friday are @20% for remaining C3s, at least 15% everything else. For Sebo, the E3 and K3 are excellent vacuums to also consider. German made like Miele, 10 year warranty’s if purchased from a dealer, and very reliable.

I bought a used Miele C3 home care plus ($1500+) with extra filters and bags for $350 on Facebook marketplace. I cleaned it up a bit and it works good as new, best vacuum I’ve ever had. Don’t listen to folks telling you not to buy used; actually good vacuums are insanely expensive and used is absolutely a viable option if you want to be a little more frugal. Obviously the only caveat is to be patient and wait for the right deal.

Any Miele will deal with fur, the cat dog is just a power head and their air clean filter which has carbon which helps with the animal smell. Otherwise, the C3 Kona (comes with HEPA filter instead of carbon filter) will be just fine for you. The C3 has a complete sealed system which is better than C1 if you have issues with allergies. Also, remember, you buy a Miele or Sebo…you’ll never buy a vacuum again. Any Miele is good though and most importantly, lightweight!

C2 is a great model but you need a powerhead for the medium pile carpet. The C1 Cat Dog, C3 Kona, C3 Marin, C3 Homecare+ or check out a Sebo K3/E3.

The C3 is the better model, more future proofed too.

Second this. Robot Vacuums have come along way but hair is hair is hair. If you’ve got long hair, even the best of the best full size vacs will struggle, especially on carpet. Miele for the win.

Well if you want a quiet vacuum, (the quietest to be specific) your option is the Miele C3. The Miele c1 is marginally louder but still quieter than a Sebo. Both are quieter than any Dyson lmao (those things are crazy loud and they don't even tune their motors to offload the whine behind our scope of hearing). The Miele c3 on max is quieter than a Dyson on normal. So the cheapest option would be the Miele c1 classic pure suction. The nicest option would be the c3 gala edition. Both are hard floor only machines, but the build quality of the c3 really speaks for itself. If you're iffy about spending so much on a Miele, try visit a local vacuum store with mieles. They'll be happy to let you try them out and Miele dealers will always sell lower than online listed MSRP. You'll also hear firsthand how much quieter they are. Technically speaking, all bagless machines will be pretty loud bc they don't have much soft padding to capture the sounds (bag, nice filter). Cordless machines overall are very loud because their motors are smaller, spinning at a higher speed to generate similar pressure, and those tiny whirring things make a huge high pitched sound, characteristic of any Dyson machine (vacuum, hairdryer, hand dryer). Combine a cordless bagless and you have the absolute worst care scenario for sound dampening. Mieles recently upped their motor rpm while reducing size, but they tune their motors such that the majority of the sound falls above the frequency of our hearing. My cat doesn't seem to hate my Miele so clearly it's not that loud ultrasonic either. Checkout rtings.com for objective measurements but lemme tell you: we've been a Miele family for about 2 decades now. I bought my mom a Dyson v11 thinking it'll be great for the kitchen but she hates it! It's loud, clunky, weak (relatively: it cant rice grains from the corners) and it needs SOOOOO much brush roll maintenance omfg. Huge waste of money tbh. It's still hung in the kitchen but I think they only use it for vacuuming the stairs now (with the electro tool). The Miele canister is obviously better for our cars too. Nowadays, I think the avg active home only needs a bagged corded vacuum, and a robot. There's very little place for cordlesses imo ESPECIALLY as EVs now have power outlets that allow the use of a normal vacuum.. (I have one and my partner still uses it more than I do, but we wouldn't be in need without one. I only bought it bc I found it for a steal not because I wanted a cordless).

I'd take the opportunity to get a Miele c3 Marin or Brilliant/homecare+ at a good price. It seems like they're dropping their (very nice imo) seb236 floor head. Or you'll need the new guard l1 electro. You'll need an electro head for your needs. (So c3 cat& dog to answer your title question, but my recommendation is for the Homecare+ (or the Marin for a better value). Visit a dealer and get them for a good price (900 for the Kona, 1100 for the Marin, and under 1500 for the homecare+/brilliant). Get the homecare models from a dealer if you can. The better warranty and added tools are great.

If you bought a Dyson outsize and want to buy another one in 5 years, go to a Miele dealer and buy the Miele c3 homecare+, get that machine serviced every 5 years and never look back. It's expensive but 100% worth it for the fingertip controls, the superior seb236 carpet brush, and the extra attachments and warranty as being sold as a homecare model from a dealer. Use only Miele bags, be gentle, and read the instructions and it may outlive you! As is their design, the fine dusts from your and your dogs hair/skin have clung to the cyclones and possibly the motor. It's also possible you've never cleaned your filters but I'll assume you have. Any cordless, with fastidious maintenance can last up to or around a decade, losing suction in the last half of life A bagged canister, like the Miele c3 or Sebo e3, will not lose suction to an appreciable degree in the course of 10 years, when using real Miele bags. More than 99% of the captured dirt is trapped in the bag, with the remainder being trapped in the HEPA exhaust filter. Being a canister form factor it's also incredibly convenient, reducing strain on your wrist, allowing you a telescopic wand and long hose everywhere you go with tools close at hand. The cord reel makes cords forgettable and the bags last 3-6 months (depending on your living/shedding sitch). Having truly adjustable suction means you can vacuum delicate stuff like curtains or chachkis. Mieles also are built better and feel better in hand than the Dysons. The click of Miele attachments is 🤤 An abused Miele can last a decade. A normal meile could last 20 years. A Miele with care will easily last 40. Put some effort and it can literally last forever. They're made to be opened, serviced, cleaned, and reassembled forever, unlike Dysons with clips and adhesives. The Sebo e3 will work mostly as good as the Miele and offers a little more value over the brilliant (a little) but I prefer Mieles hard and carpet tools. Mieles also feel better in hand. Ultimately, Mieles bags and HEPA filters are also cheaper for us in the US with the allergy bundle. If you're the one spending the money and doing the vacuuming, I say get the Porsche over the VW (is that offensive to the Sebo fans lol). So go to your local vacuum dealer and try out the Miele c3 homecare+ (brilliant) and the Sebo e3. I think once you get a real (corded, bagged) vacuum you'll recognize even the biggest baddest Dyson cordless is a toy, relatively.

Sebo e3 (under 900 from a dealer if you ask nicely) comes with a 10 year warranty from said sealer. Their bags & filters are a little pricey but worth it for the excellent machine. I am however a Miele fan and I do think they command their higher price. Unfortunately Miele has lowered their warranties recently from 10 to 3 😭. I believe it's 5 for the homecare models purchased in store. Definitely go to a vacuum store and test drive the Sebo e3 vs the Miele C3 like of machines. At your price I say get the Marin (or homecare e) for the increased features. You can get it for around $1200 usually from a dealer. The c3 Kona is the cheaper model at under 900, but doesn't have a headlight, auto suction, or filter timer, but works just the same. If you're buying Miele, buy the homecare model. Either Miele or Sebo will last you more than 20 years with good care. They can be repaired from just about any damage. And they'll clean better than literally any other vacuum (certainly better than anything cordless or bagless). Mieles have marginally more suction, with a higher grade of filtration, and feel better in the hand. Sebos are a little more industrial. Both are amazing but I think the Miele is just a bit better. Better enough I'd say splurge for the brilliant/homecare+ ($1500-1800) but you have to try it first. I bought my Miele used, and it's the best $300 I've spent. It's a little crunchier than my parents older miele which we bought new, but mine is a UniQ ($1500 MSRP). Those fingertip controls are SOOOOO nice 😭 There's nothing cuntier than a Miele homecare+ when it comes to cleaning 🤷🏾‍♂️ Unsaid but needs to be said: bagged canisters are the ONLY option when versatility and longevity are the goals. Edit: forgot that Mieles new guard L1 electro will be releasing soon. Basically all the same but it has an app now to tell you to change the bag. And it's a new bag, so you can be damn sure it won't be bundled cheaply with the filter. Same filter. Also no headlight on the carpet brush. Tbh I'd say use the impending release of the L1 to snatch up a deal on the miele C3 Marin (homecare e) or Brilliant (homecare+).

Long story short: no. Mostly because of cordless, as that mostly scuttles your requirement for asthma care. Most cordlesses are bagless, and one trip emptying that bin and it's game over for your bronchioles depending how bad the asthma is. There's basically only one bagged cordless (Henry quick, so check that out, but it doesn't stand) but it's not really meant for primary use. The Miele cordlesses (triflex), are great for what they are (bagless and cordless) and they stand up, have swappable batteries and work well. Their filtration/dust sequestration will always be worse than a bagged. I love my triflex but I also use it maybe once a month or less because of my corded, bagged Miele. I understand you don't want to compromise but what you describe is impossible with how our technology works rn, just like fusion, solid state batteries, or SC power lines, the technology is not there, and even worse than those technologies I listed, very few are working on what you want. You can get everything you want if you accept a cord or accept dirtier air with a bagless. If cost really isn't an issue then I'd say buy a corded bagged vacuum (not the shark rocket, it's generous to call that a real vacuum) and get a robot for daily maintenance. That's probably the best of both worlds as you don't have to compromise on clean or a cord, you just need two devices to meet your needs. If you've never used a cord reel I'd suggest trying it as well. My robot is absolutely the hardest working member of my household, so maybe a robot is what you're looking for? Good luck! But what you're looking for doesn't exist, unfortunately. And because I'm that girl: the only consumer vacuum in existence that's fully HEPA certified is the Miele c3 with their HEPA filter installed, so make of that what you will. That means not only is its filter hepa, but the machine is fully sealed and certified through testing to not allow more than 99.95% of particles smaller than 2.5 microns through. If you want the best clean available, especially noticeable to asthmatics, a Miele c3 is the only answer. Edit: my personal cleaning peeve is running wheeled things over hard floors, which is extra why im recommending the Miele c3. It's just so grating and demoralizing to hear those damn wheels every fkn pass. And no power/motor head will be as nimble as an articulated hard floor tool. If your space is hard floors, you actually have it a bit easier, as carpets make vacuums more expensive. And getting Miele or Sebos cheapest will still suit your needs. I know i said triflex comes close to what you want, but misses asthma care. I say get a bagged c3 and miss out on cordless but actually have a clean home with a machine that'll last a lifetime and work like new until the day it dies (which may be never with care). My skin is crawling thinking about running my triflex all over my hard floors.

TL;DR: go to a Miele dealer (use their website to find one) buy the C3 homecare+ for full home cleaning, demote the Dyson to quick jobs, never look back. If you have gen5 detect money (and interest) buy the vacuum that made Dyson increase their filtration standard: a Miele. I thought it was funny Dyson did this as it retroactively pulled the facade off of their previous marketing. For the best performance on hard floors you'll want a machine with their parquet twister attachment, it's what made me fall in love with Mieles in middle school. Currently it works like a dream for my kitty and her ways. (And that original one still works for my parents 17 years later). Technically Mieles cheapest machine, the c1 classic, functions just as well on hard floors when using the same tool as their most expensive machine, the c3 brilliant. They have the same motor, use the same bags, and have the same filter media, but the c3s are MUCH quieter, fully sealed, have bigger bag compartments, and store their tools onboard. The c2 models are a happy in between. They're fully sealed, are quieter but not as quiet as the c3, and also have the onboard tools. Contemporary c2s are made in China with German motors. They're just as well built as the German plastic machines. Technically they're better built because Miele innovated on the s5000 shell which became the c2. Having taken apart both, the c2s construction is more like a brilliant than the c1 classic. As of right now, only Mieles c3s are built completely in Germany. All their bagged models use German made motors but the remainder are formed in China. All the bagless models are completely made in China. No knock against Chinese manufacturing, it's excellent obviously, but that's the T with Mieles current production chain for vacuums. I like my first gen triflex even. Because your budget is $600 (medium-high) and you have carpets, that complicates my recommendation: If you're buying a machine you should buy the one that fully encapsulates your use and use it how you like. Don't purposefully buy something that does less when you can use more, and you can afford more. No matter what you buy it'll outlive and outperform the gen 5. A straight suction Miele might even marginally outperform it on your carpets... Then, you have the Dyson Gen 5 vs the v12/15 (which tells me you care about "the best", technology, and convenience physical constraints be damned) which points me to recommend you Mieles top of line canisters: the c3 electro models (Kona, Marin, Brilliant/ homecare, homecare e, homecare +). They come standard with the electro carpet brush and the parquet twister, as well as the HEPA filter. The Marin adds some longevity and QOL electronics like a filter life timer, parking shutoff switch, and auto suction as well as the seb236, Mieles low profile and led-lit carpet brush. The Brilliant, the one I think you should get, has what the Marin has plus fingertip controls & a display. This makes switching surfaces and tools on the fly so much easier. It also kinda obviates the parking switch. You should buy them from a vacuum store, miele dealer, to get the best deal and get the homecare models with the longer warranty and more tools. From a dealer, you can likely get the Kona for $850, Marin for $1100, and brilliant for $1500, but you might have a harder time finding that brilliant deal as it kinda pads the coffers. Like I said, the c1 classic and a parquet twister will get you the same clean, but it's time to demote the Dyson and get a real vacuum as your primary. The Dyson can be used for quick runs and it'll thank you for it (by living longer than 5). Your carpets will also likely thank you for it. Ik I blew past your budget, but it really seems like you can afford it so 🤷🏾‍♂️ Sebos have better warranties, and some like them better, but they're marginally louder, less powerful, and filter less well than a Miele. And when comparing to a c3, Mieles bags & filters are cheaper in their allergy bundle. Mieles also have a better feel in hand... Which is the whole point imo. You can likely try a Sebo wherever you go to buy that Miele homecare+ 😘 so make sure to try it out too. I think Mieles parquet twister and seb236 are better than sebos articulating floor tool or et1. But that's my opinion. The fully in price recommendation for hard floors would the c3 gala or the c2 hard floor. Marginally in budget but all inclusive machine would be the c1 centennial (if you can find it for $650 and buy the parquet twister). Another option, but a little stretch is the c1 homecare with electro brush (only available from Miele dealers). Even an abused Miele will last a decade. Get the nicest one you can afford, take care of it, and have a perfectly clean home for more than 20 years. No joke. Also, your Dyson is leaving stuff in the carpets that an electro Miele will capture. Your first bag will fill fast (as does everyone's unless they already had a Miele/Sebo).

Plenty of options: Low budget: Kenmore 600 series pop and go Med/high: Miele C1 cat and dog, C3 Homecare, Sebo k3 or e3. You can safely ignore that Dyson/shark rec in the other comment. Neither are bagged and both are a joke. I have a hard time believing they even owned a Miele. Or if they did it was a hard-floor only model or something. Find a local dealer and take the above for a test drive to see which you prefer.

Miele, Sebo or Lindhaus. Check out r/vacuumcleaners

Ugh that product selector is terrible. No the pure suction would be terrible for a house with carpeted rooms. You need a C1 cat and dog at a minimum. IMO the C3 Homecare would be ideal because the cord is longer which better suits a home your size, onboard storage is a plus. And a longer warranty. They’re only sold at dealers, so find one locally and take it for a test drive. I’d also add a Sebo k3 or e3 to your short list as well. The 10 year warranty puts Miele’s to shame and the cleaning performance is basically the same. (I say this as a Miele C3 owner myself)

C3 Calima has an air driven turbo head - it will not suffice for carpeted rooms. Definitely the C1 cat and dog or a C3 Homecare (way more $$ but you may appreciate the longer cord, onboard tool storage and longer warranty) Honestly the best bang for your buck is a Sebo K3. It has mostly all of the benefits of the C3 Homecare (with an even longer warranty) for a few hundred less and it’s every bit as good (arguably better) than a Miele. (I say this as a Miele owner) Do you have a Miele or Sebo dealer nearby? Stop in and take all the above for a test drive.

The old ones yes do last more than a couple years. However, New sharks are an absolute joke. Disposable. A well built machine likely won’t have any issues in the first place, but if they do it’s easily repaired. For example I’ve had my Miele C3 for almost a decade and have had 0 issues with it. It will likely last another decade or longer before I give it to my kids or family. What’s your budget and flooring like?

If you like an upright, stick with an upright. It’s really personal preference - there is no right or wrong answer. But IMO canisters do have some pros that uprights don’t. Canister pros: 1) Better suited for 50:50 or mostly hard flooring. Canisters come with a “straight suction” floor attachment that is ideal for hard flooring (no brushroll) which is what you want. A dedicated tool for the flooring you’re trying to clean. Most uprights don’t have this (sans for a Sebo Felix) uprights make use of an electric powerhead on hard flooring which isn’t ideal - even if it’s shut off and on the hard floor setting. 2) Much lighter in the hand: the motor glides along behind you, so you’re only really holding ~3-5lbs in your hand. Lighter than most cordless sticks! 3) Above floor cleaning: drapes, ceilings, trim, cabinets etc. Many uprights have hoses etc. but it’s just not the same 4) IMO more maneuverable under furniture, in tight corners and in stairs Cons: 1) Learning curve: to some people, it can feel like it’s a “ball and chain” and they trip over the hose and motor. IMO this can be mitigated if you learn to vacuum *in* to rooms rather than backing out of them like a lot of us do with uprights Personally I was an upright fan until I got my Miele C3, it took a few uses. But now I can’t go back to an upright. They feel so heavy and bulky in comparison (IMO, YMMV). Do you have a local vacuum store that sells Miele or Sebo? Stop in and take a Sebo dart, Felix, k3 or e3. Or a Miele C1 cat and dog, C3 Excellence or C3 cat and dog for a test drive to see which you prefer.

Depends on your form factor preference. Upright or canister. Sebo and Miele are going to be the brands to look at. Canister: Miele C3, Sebo D4 or E3 Upright: Sebo Felix or Dart

Does not exist. Regardless of what marketing departments try to sell us - What you’re looking for is 3 separate pieces of equipment. 1) Dry, corded and bagged primary vacuum for weekly deep clean: Miele C1 Cat and Dog, Miele C3 Homecare, Sebo K3, dart/felix, e3 2) Cordless/bagless stick for quick daily messes: LG A9 or Bissell airram 3) The gold standard for wet cleaning: A good old mop and bucket. The combo machines are a joke and will be in the trash within a year or two. Put the blinders on, ignore the marketing hype, go with what is tried and true.

I think what you’re looking for is a 2 vacuum solution. A cordless/bagless just isn’t up to the task of whole home cleaning. We’ve been oversold on their capabilities by large marketing budgets. Grab a Cordless/bagless stick for quick daily pickups: LG A9, Bissell airram or Miele triflex Then, get a corded and bagged machine for your weekly deep cleans. All of the corded models are bulletproof and should last you 20+ years. Which model largely depends on your budget and preference. Miele C3 Homecare, Sebo k3, E3 or Felix IMO I’d find a Miele/Sebo dealer locally and test drive the above.

This is the answer! You can still get a Miele for only hard flooring.

You’ve done a good amount of legwork to get to this point. IMO go to your local Miele/Sebo dealer and test drive the C1 cat and dog, C3 home care, Sebo K3/E3/D4 to see which you prefer. From a repairability standpoint Sebo edges out Miele and they also have a longer warranty (I say this a Miele owner) but there really isn’t a wrong option between The two brands.

Plenty of options. You’ll probably want a (bagged) canister-style considering you have mostly hard floors. Miele C1 Cat and Dog, C3 Homecare, Sebo K3, E3, or a Sebo Felix is you prefer an upright. IMO the next step is finding a local Miele/Sebo dealer and taking the above for a test drive. Both brands are great. Sebo has a fantastic warranty advantage over Miele. That’s really the largest differentiator.

I wouldn’t seriously consider a Dyson. You’re on the right track with Miele and Sebo with your budget you’ll have plenty of options. Canister vs upright is personal preference. Since you’re undecided I’d find a local Miele/Sebo dealer and take the following for a test drive to see which you prefer. (That said, I’m a total canister convert. They’re very light in the hand and great for above floor cleaning and stairs, but there is a learning curve for sure.) Sebo dart, Felix, K3, E3 Miele C1 Cat and Dog, C3 Kona or C3 Homecare All of these will require minimal maintenance. A bag change every time it’s full (usually every 3 months or so) and motor filters once a year. That’s IT. These are nothing like bagless machines which require cleaning/messing with every other vacuum session.

Personally I wouldn’t get another cordless bagless as your primary vacuum. They’re not up to this task (regardless of what marketing departments tell us). Ideally you want 2 vacuums. 1) cordless bagless for quick daily messes: LG A9 2) corded and bagged primary weekly deep clean vacuum: Look at a Miele C1 cat and dog, C3 Homecare or Sebo K3/E3

1 vacuum can definitely handle all flooring types. It’s going to be corded and bagged. Check out: Miele C1 cat and dog, Miele C3 Homecare, Sebo K3/E3/dart/felix IMO find a local Miele/Sebo dealer and take the above for a test drive. Depending on which model you pick, you’d have enough budget for a quick daily mess cordless vacuum and keep the corded vac for weekly deep cleans. That’s the best setup imo.

Check out r/vacuumcleaners As mentioned Miele and Sebo are top brands. You can safely ignore any shark or Dyson recs. They’re garbage. As is anything bagless.

Vacuum wars is a paid shark shill and not to be trusted. Hell Chris even appeared in a shark commercial. BIFL vacuums absolutely exist. They’re corded and bagged made by brands like Miele and Sebo.

All 3 are excellent. You really can’t do wrong between the 3. Personally I’d place more weight on the price, warranty etc between the two brands. It’s splitting hairs (see what I did there?) but I’d rank them 236, et-1, 228 in the order of cleaning performance alone. Like I said, they’re all great I don’t think there is a “right” or wrong answer here. The removable brush is a huge plus for Sebo. But IMO the Miele cleans better. However the Miele’s are not user serviceable. Also know that while I think the 236 cleans the best (by a narrow margin) it does have this awkward belt placement where it leaves a path of uncleaned carpet about 3/4 off to the side. I use that as a guide on how much to overlap but some people find it annoying.

Agree with J3ttf! The Miele is a worthy splurge!

I have one for quick messes and love it. It’s the perfect pair to my C3 (thanks to performance reviews for the tip) I believe both those models have the powered attachment point. It’s when it’s called the S194 is when you need to do your due diligence. Worst case, as for a picture of the attachment point. It’s easy to see if it’s electrified or not.

Well, no offense - if you have carpets you bought the worst Miele for your use case. You want something **bagged**. It requires no cleaning. Just a new bag when it’s full (2-3 months) and new filters annually. That’s it. So a Miele C1 cat and dog, C3 Homecare or Sebo K3 or E3. Miele is currently closing out their current lineup so you can definitely get a deal on outgoing models (which imo are better than the new ones)

You do you! This forum isn't here to sway you over to the dark side, it's here to inform. Some people want "clean and hygienic" more than convenience. My Miele C3 Homecare with power brush fits the bill for me. It has a sealed HEPA filter so the air that comes out is cleaner than the air that is sucked in (I don't need bulky air purifiers in every room of my house). The canister has very handy attachments that make THOROUGH cleaning of my spaces much easier...from ceiling, blinds, and under furniture. The disposable bags only have to be changed every few months and they seal off completely for disposal...so much cleaner. If you have animals and/ or allergies, a good sealed HEPA vacuum will be your best friend. And lastly, check back in 20 years and let us know how much you have paid for your vacuums/air purifiers during that time.

I’m curious about this “deodorizer “ that folks need with the SEBO vacuums. I have a big hairy dog and allergies. With my Miele C3 ( HyClean HEPA, no charcoal) I never notice any odors and have never noticed any stink…not even when changing the bag. Does this mean the Miele has better filtration?

I paid $150 for a used C3 Homecare with powered brushhead. I bought it locally so I could try it out in person. I have hardwood as well as area rugs AND I have a highly shedding Golden Retriever. After having a C3 WITHOUT powered brushhead for 20 years...I had no idea what I was missing. I wouldn't be without one again. The electrified wand and electrobrush will almost triple the cost of this vacuum.

I purchased a Miele C3 Homecare model from a local shop on Thursday. Today is Sunday, and when I went to use it, I noticed a small piece of plastic on the floor of my cleaning closet. It took me awhile to figure out where the piece had come from, but eventually I did. The plastic cracked/broke where the hose meets the handle. A three day old vacuum that I've used for maybe 15 minutes. A $1300 vacuum. I'm so upset I could cry. I never even disconnected the hose from the handle. I didn't drop it. I'm planning to go in tomorrow to talk to the salesman. At this point, I don't want a replacement, I want a full refund. I don't trust the build quality. I don't know what the return policy is--I didn't ask, the website doesn't say, and it was a handwritten-paper-receipt kind of place. How do I get my money back? I purchased with a credit card so I could go the chargeback route, but I'd rather not do that. If you work at/own a vacuum shop, I'm curious how you would handle an issue like this. Thanks for your time.

I don’t even understand how there are still BIFL vacuum threads when Miele exists. You do any searching at all and Miele is the answer. I got my Miele in 2016 and it’s pretty much exactly the same now as the day I bought it. I replaced one of the attachments, because I wanted to level up from nylon brushes to horsehair brushes. Otherwise it’s perfect. Hot tip, I bought mine at the very end of the year after Christmas and they were having a big sale. It was a long time ago so idk if they still have end of the year sales, but worth looking out for one. I also at some point bought the extra long skinny nozzle attachment which has been handy.

I have the model that can use a hepa filter and has the electric head, not just the non-powered brush head. Without the electric head, I don’t think it would be very effective on carpets. The non powered brush is great for my wood floors. The electric head has no issues on carpet and I have long hair (I try to contain my shedding though, if I have a loose hair, I try to put it in the trash). The electric head has 5 settings of how high off the floor you want the brush, and the canister has multiple levels of suction, so you can do pretty much any surface from carpet all the way down to curtains and upholstery. Honestly I remember growing up with my parents’ mediocre vacuums and having hair get wrapped around the roller brush all the time and having be a huge pain in the ass to clean? The Miele seems to have no issues at all. I can’t even really remember ever having to unstick long hair, though maybe I have once or twice. Their instructional videos really emphasize going slow enough to rely on the suction to loosen and pick stuff up. And it is really good. However, I don’t have pets so can’t speak to how that changes things. When I bought it, I remember them saying it was designed to last for a minimum of one (or two?)hour of vacuuming per week for 20 years. Also, it has a pedal you tap with your foot to automatically retract the cord and it is an amazing feature. I just remember how much I loathed to wrap the stupid long ass cord of my parents vacuum. The cord retractor is dope af, makes it all feel like much less of a chore. ETA: Mine is also the mid-range, and when I bought it, it was advertised as being a little more compact than their full sized ones, which it is and I love it. Perfect for an apartment or if you don’t have enough storage space, and it’s easy to move around.

I went from a cheapie bagless upright to a Miele C3; it’s a world of difference! I don’t think I’ll ever go back to a bagless ever again lol

Favourites - Miele C3, certain early Dyson uprights (DC07, DC14 and DC15) Least favourites - current Dyson models, all Shark models ever, any Hoover brand sold by AusVac/Godfreys/VacDirect Australia

You’d be surprised… I had a bagless upright before my Miele C3, and the Miele is actually easier to use on my carpets for some reason

I grew up with a DC15, which is basically just a DC14 with the first “ball” steering system It was a ripper of a vacuum, I ended up with it eventually; my family got maybe 15 years in total out of this vac? I replaced it with a new Dyson upright and I’ve never fucking hated a vacuum cleaner so much in my life! I have a Miele now

I second the Miele, best vacuum I’ve owned so far!

I bought my C3 new in September for an excellent price (recommendation from this sub, actually) and I love it! I know there are a lot of Miele fanbois on here that would just blindly recommend it to everyone, but I’m the type of person who just likes ease of use, good suction and reliability; Miele C3 checks all those boxes so far I’ve got the base-model “Family Allrounder”, but I’ve kitted it with an Active AirClean filter and will be buying a TurboTeq head sometime in the future

I used my Black & Decker PowerSeries+ cordless stick vac to clean up some dust and dirt leftover from having a new air conditioner installed; I probably shouldn’t have, but I wasn’t going to ruin my 4 month old Miele C3 to do it either! Decided to give it a proper wash, as this would the first time I’ve ever done it for this particular vacuum; a cup of laundry detergent in a laundry trough of warm water, leave to soak for a little bit, rinse off then dry outside for at least a few days (I have a fishnet-style grocery bag I put them in to hang them on the clothesline) It took me back to owning a corded bagless upright, where I was constantly doing this just to maintain any sort of suction! Made me remember the biggest reason why I bought a bagged vacuum in the first place.

dw, it’s not the main vacuum; got a Miele C3 for that (didn’t want to risk ruining the “big” vacuum with ultra-fine construction dust)

This is bad information. Yes, kenmore doesn't go through small shops, but this also limits the serviceability of their products. Kenmore vacuums are built "ok", but they have lots of problems with those non handgrip swivel, wire reinforced hoses. Not having a swivel at the handle is bad for the electronics. Connections / fittings are also sub par. And a lot kenmores have poor filtration because the Hepa filter doesn't make a good seal against the housing. I've tested the filtration with an IQ particle scanner. Also, kenmore vacuums consume more wattage - hence the higher motor wattage, but do they clean better - no! On air flow monitors, they pull the same as C3 Miele. Miele and Sebo vacuums are much more efficient. Miele and sebo vacuums also move around better. Yes, they vacuum fine and have good motors, and are better than a dyson, bissel, shark, etc, but a Sebo E3 / D4 premium, or a Miele C3 with the SEB 236 powerhead is SUPERIOUR! Also, if you're about volume sales, you can't make a high quality product. Something has to give. To get volume sales you have to price point, that means quality has to give.

"Conveniently ignores when kenmore got panasonic to mess with the hose wiring so that the new hoses wouldn't work on the old unit". They literally did that to make people buy new vacuums. Terrible. It literally has the same round fitting - like didn't improve the fitting quality at all - just messed with the wiring which improved nothing. Also, Miele had a grand total of 2 hoses that had issues. Funny enough, 1 of those 2 hoses was the hose that did not have a swivel at the hand grip end. Other than that, all of their other hoses last years and years (electric and non electric). I see way more kenmores with bad hoses, and not just them, all brands that have no swivel at the handle end have wiring problems. There is torque at that handle connection and something wants to give when it doesn't swivel and gets yanked while vacuuming. If you prefer using it, that's fine. But vacuums like that are part of reason stick vacuums are so popular. Most people do not like using those kenmores. That's just a straight fact. I'm not mad at all I can't sell them - because I sell people who do have them Miele's and Sebo's quite frequently. And hey if you wanna say the kenmore is built just as well, well you do you, but they aren't. The definition of a Kenmore vacuum is a cheaper vacuum that vacuums well, but subpar filtration and ok build quality, but limited serviceability. It's basically a "I can't afford a Miele or a Sebo, so what's next." There's nothing wrong with that, but it's just wrong to say it's better. I'm personally ok with loosing the sale to one if someone just can't afford the Miele or the Sebo. I'm just gonna end up with more problems anyways if I sold them a kenmore. And most people end up coming back anyways. Could Miele put a bigger motor in their vacuums? I mean I guess they could but why (unless EU regulations are in the way)? A bigger motor would be redundant to what's currently in it. It would make no difference. It has no problem doing what it needs to do. And again, on airflow monitors they literally pull the same as higher wattage kenmore motors in Canada. And wattage is just how much power a motor consumes - It doesn't actually translate into how much cleaning power it has, or how well the rest of the vacuum is designed. You can call me a liar if you want, I don't really care because I know what I'm talking about, and I don't care about what the brand name of something is, I just care on how it works.

Find a C2 or C3 model with the SBB 300-3 floor brush. Nothing will clean floors better than that. The newer version of the C2 is the Guard S1. The newer version of the C3 is the Guard M1. The Guard L1 is an entirely new vacuum, and is meant to be a lighter version of the C3 / M1, but the L1 has a smaller bag. Edit: they all filter really really well and are sealed systems, and if you add on the HA50 hepa filter (make sure it’s the genuine one from Miele as it’s H13 hepa) it’s top notch. Edit 2: the compact C1 is a also good choice, just NOT the Classic C1 (also known as S2 which is the older version).

The D4 moves really well, but yes is a larger vacuum. I have a 525 squr foot apartment and own a D4 cause YOLO. The Miele vacs like the C2, C3, Guard S1, M1, L1 will overall be lighter and easier to use. The D4 is essentially a powerhouse vacuum. The mentioned miele's will have the same airflow but in a smaller package. Miele's new equivalent to the D4 is the L1 or M1 / C3 Series. Edit: My recommendation would be the Miele if you're worried about the weight of the canister. The D4 is by no means bad that way, and I would 100% argue it's easier to use than some other brands like kenmore, etc, but the Miele's will be easier to use as far as the canister goes and may be more encouraging that way. Just make sure to get the RIGHT ATTACHMENTS!

For Miele, it’s would be a C3 series, or Guard L1 with an electric powerhead and good floor brush. Add the HA50 H13 Hepa filter if you want the best filtering vacuum in the world. For Sebo, the K3 is under $1000, but the more powerful models are E3 or D4 premium with the ET-1 powerhead (best powerhead in the world). This time of year being that sales are more likely to start popping up, a Sebo dealer will happily give a deal on each model to get within or closer to your budget. If you want uprights, Sebo X4 or Felix, or a top model riccar (riccar will have a bit more power, but I’d personally chose the X4 or Felix).